Nitirat to push for coup nullification and amendments to lèse majesté law in January
Nitirat, a group of law academics at Thammasat University, has announced two activities to be held in January next year to campaign for amendments to Article 112 and the nullification of the 2006 coup’s legal effects, as has been proposed to the public by the group.
‘We’ve listened to all the feedback, heeding both support and criticism. We intended to push our proposals steadily further, but then came the floods; so we had to stop for a while. Meanwhile, we were repeatedly asked what we would do next. Some said that it was a pity that the floods came, otherwise we would move forward. However, we’ve never stopped thinking about our proposals, always reconsidering, reviewing and refining the details, and we are determined to push them to reality,’ said Piyabutr Saengkanokkul, a member of the Nitirat group.
According to Piyabutr, a campaign will be launched on 15 Jan 2012 by the ‘Campaign Group to Amend Article 112’, which includes academics, writers, artists, journalists, activists and students, to collect signatures to propose legal amendments to Parliament, based on Nitirat’s proposal.
Nitirat proposed amendments to the law in March, but the issue has not yet been much debated by the public, whereas the number of victims abused under the law has increased, he said.
On 22 Jan 2012, there will be a further push for their call to nullify any legal effects of the 2006 coup.
‘Incidentally, 2012 will mark the centenary of the Ror Sor 130 rebellion [a failed coup attempt by a group of military men and intellectuals against King Rama VI in 1912, which inspired the People’s Party’s overthrow of the Absolute Monarchy two decades later], and the 80th anniversary of the 1932 revolution. On this occasion, we will hold academic activities to support a democracy which upholds the people’s sovereignty all through next year, focusing on the writing of a new charter and nullification of the 2006 coup’s legacy,’ he said.
Nitirat will distribute pamphlets containing Q&A’s regarding its proposals to nullify the legal legacies of the 2006 coup.
‘We have come up with this pamphlet because we realize that our proposals have been presented in legal language, which is probably difficult to understand. So we have tried to reproduce them in plain language so that the public can use them to make their arguments,’ he said.
‘Since we published our proposals to nullify the coup’s effects, there have been numerous questions and criticisms, made by those who either genuinely don’t understand, pretend not to understand, or don’t even read them but want to censure us. On 22 Jan 2012, we will address all the points which have been raised against our proposals in the past several months,’ he said.
On that day, the Nitirat will further propose to the public their idea of how to conceive a whole new constitution.
‘These two activities are meant to mobilize the public’s thinking. We will continue doing so until “the supreme national power belongs to all the people,” and “all humans are born free and equal in terms of dignity and rights,” according to the intention of Nitirat when it was formed,’ he said.
Here is the programme of activities in January 2012:
Campaign for amendments to Article 112, on Sunday 15 Jan 2012, starting from 1 pm, at Sri Burapha Auditorium, Thammasat University, Tha Prachan Campus:
• Launch of the ‘Campaign for Amendments of Article 112,’ to collect signatures to propose a bill to amend Article 112, as proposed by the Nitirat;
• Other academic and campaigning activities
Nullification of the 2006 coup’s legal effects, on Sunday 22 Jan 2012, starting from 1 pm at Jeed Setthabutr or LT 1 room and Pridi Kasemsap or LT 2 room, Faculty of Law, Thammasat University, Tha Prachan Campus.
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Khana Nitirat
Statement on the Occasion of the 1st anniversary of Nitirat
Point # 1
The Nullification of the Resultant Effects of the 19 September 2006 Coup
The 19 September 2006 coup was an illegal act. The coup destroyed the rule of law and democracy. The coup remains the primary cause of political conflict from then until the present. For this reason, the Khana Nitirat proposes the nullification of the resultant effects of the 19 September 2006 coup as follows:
1. Declare the coup and the various resultant legal actions of the Council for Democratic Reform under the Constitutional Monarchy (CDRM) from 19 to 30 September null and void, as if they never happened, and without legal consequence.
2. Declare Articles 36 and 37 of the 2006 interim Constitution null and void, as if they never happened, and without legal consequence.
3. Declare the rulings of the Constitutional Tribunal, the rulings of the Constitutional Court, and the judgments of the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Persons Holding Political Positions made under the authority of the Council for Democratic Reform under the Constitutional Monarchy (CDRM) null and void, as if they never happened, and without legal consequence. Declare the rulings of the Constitutional Tribunal, the rulings of the Constitutional Court, and the judgments of the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Persons Holding Political Positions resulting from the 19 September 2006 coup, in particular all of the rulings and judgments resulting from processes initiated by the Assets Examination Committee (AEC), which was instigated by the Council for Democratic Reform under the Constitutional Monarchy (CDRM), null and void, as if they never happened, and without legal consequence.
4. Declare the matters under consideration both by officials of the National Anti-Corruption Commission, the Anti-Money Laundering Office, and the Office of the Auditor General and those that have been sent to the court discontinued.
(Note: The Assets Examination Committee was only in existence for one year, as mandated by Declaration # 30 of the CDRM, issued on 30 September 2006. At the end of its term, its responsibilities were transferred to the National Anti-Corruption Commission, the Anti-Money Laundering Office, and the Office of the Auditor General. -- Translator.)
5. The declaration of the rulings and judgments in (3) null and void and the discontinuation of the proceedings in (4) do not constitute an amnesty or a pardon or an absolving of those individuals accused of wrongdoing. This is not an expunging of all of the actions of those individuals accused of wrongdoing. Therefore, new cases can be started against those relevant individuals in accordance within the standard legal process.
6. The Khana Nitirat proposes that the above points become the draft of a constitutional amendment. For democratic legitimacy, this should then be brought to the people as a referendum.
Point # 2
Revision of Article 112 of the Criminal Code
In line with the proposal made by the Khana Nitirat regarding the revision of Article 112 of the Criminal Code, which was made public on 27 March 2011, the following is proposed:
1. The Khana Nitirat maintains that there are problems with the legality, use and ideology of Article 112 of the Criminal Code, and it must be revised. Relevant stakeholders should not deny that Article 112 of the Criminal Code is without problems and without need for revision insofar as this has not yet been fully studied or widely debated.
2. The Khana Nitirat observes that Article 112 of the Criminal Code has a problem with regards to its constitutionality. This is especially the case on the point of balance between the severity of the crime and of the punishment meted out to those who have committed offences. This is not in accordance with Article 29 of the Constitution, which mandates that punishment must be proportional to the offence committed.
3. The Khana Nitirat proposes that the Law Reform Commission should arrange for opinion hearings from the people on the issue of Article 112 of the Criminal Code, in order to then advise the Cabinet in line with Article 19 (3) of the Law Reform Commission Act of 2010.
Point # 3
The Judicial System and Detainees and Defendants
The Treatment of Victims After the 19 September 2006 Coup
Thailand fell into a situation of continual political conflict due to the 19 September 2006 coup. There were demonstrations by various sides. There was the use of violence. There were people who were accused of wrongdoing. There were people who were suffered losses: life, injury, and property. In order for each side to achieve justice and to mitigate the losses of the people, the Khana Nitirat proposes that the following concrete and urgent actions be taken:
1. The Khana Nitirat disagrees with the promulgation of an amnesty law passed with a hidden goal of ending the process of examining the truth about the violent incidents which have occurred. However, the rights of those accused of committing politically-motivated offences or offences in which a political issue comprises a significant part, must be granted bail in accordance with the due process. This must be done in a manner that is not different from the process of granting bail to those accused of committing ordinary offences. The right to temporary release must be rigorously and objectively examined. When bail or a guarantee is demanded, it must not be in excess of what the situation mandates. These processes should follow the conditions outlined in the final section of Article 110 of the Criminal Procedure Code, which is in line with the principle of the presumption of innocence. Until there is a final judgment against a person that the person has committed an offence, he or she should be treated as a person who is innocent, as guaranteed by Article 39 of the Constitution.
2. Based on the principle of liability of the state, the Khana Nitirat proposes that the Cabinet consider issuing a Cabinet resolution in order to offer help or compensation to all victims, without discrimination, of incidents of political conflict arising since the 19 September 2006 coup. This may be done by establishing a committee with this express responsibility. The rules, methods, and amount of compensation of this committee could come from already-existing law, such as the Compensation for Victims of Crime Act of 2001 and the Assistance to Victims Affected During Government, National, or Humanitarian Service Act of 2000, etc. Accepting the aforementioned compensation will not foreclose the rights of victims to access benefits in line with other laws.
3. The Khana Nitirat propose that the National Human Rights Commission monitor the actions or inactions which result in violations of the human rights of detainees and defendants, which may be perpetrated by various entities in the criminal justice process, in order to propose revised standards to solve the problems of violations of human rights in accordance with Article 28 of the National Human Rights Commission Act of 1999.
Point # 4
Nullify the 2007 Constitution and Prepare a New One
The 2007 Constitution is a resultant effect of the 19 September 2006 coup and therefore lacks democratic legitimacy. Even though the aforementioned Constitution was passed in a referendum, the process of drafting the Constitution and the process by which the referendum was organized was not in line with the principles of democracy.
1. The Khana Nitirat proposes that the Cabinet should propose the drafting of a revised Constitution (“Category 16, Prepare a New Constitution”).
2. The Khana Nitirat observes that the Constitutions which are appropriate for use as prototypes for a new one and guidelines in drafting include the 1932 Temporary Constitutional Charter for the Administration of Siam Act, the 1932 Constitution of Siam, the 1946 Constitution of Thailand, and also perhaps parts of the 1997 Constitution of Thailand with reference to the protection of rights and freedom, as well as the framework of political institutions and Constitutional organizations that are consistent with developments in the contemporary period.
3. In order to not allow the coup to destroy the principles that form the foundation of the rule of law and democracy, the Khana Nitirat proposes to prepare a “Declaration of the Fundamental Value of Liberal Democracy” Even though the declaration will not have the status of law, the declaration will represent the spirit of a liberal democratic system which cannot be destroyed or made to disappear by any individual or method.
4. The “Declaration of the Fundamental Value of Liberal Democracy” will maintain that all humans are born free and equal in dignity and rights. It will maintain that the highest authority belongs to the people. This cannot be taken away from the people by anyone or any method. The state’s fundamental value comes from rule by law that is impartial. The sharing of power is the organizing principle of rule that must always be securely maintained.
5. After the Constitutional Drafting Assembly agrees on a draft Constitution, it should be then approved by a referendum vote.
Worachet Pakeerut
Jantajira Iammayura
Thapanan Nipithakul
Teera Suteewarangkurn
Sawatree Suksri
Piyabutr Saengkanokkul
Poonthep Sirinupong
Khana Nitirat: Law for the People
Tha Prajan, 19 September 2011
Translated by Tyrell Haberkorn
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Khana Nitirat
The Nullification of the Consequences of the 19 September 2006 Coup
Following the statement by Khana Nitirat on the occasion of the first anniversary of Nitirat and its release to the public on 19 September 2011, it is apparent that the reporting by much of the mass media has created misunderstanding among the public by presenting incorrect and misleading information about Khana Nitirat’s proposal. This has especially been the case with the suggestion regarding “the nullification of the consequences of the 19 September 2006 coup.” In addition, there are people who have raised questions and criticized the proposal who have not studied its details to understand it sufficiently. Therefore, Khana Nitirat deems it appropriate to offer the following clarifications in order for it to be understood correctly:
1. In the statement made on the occasion of the first anniversary of Nitirat and the fifth anniversary of the coup, the Khana Nitirat made a four-point proposal: nullification of the consequences of the 19 September 2006 coup; revision of Article 112 of the Criminal Code; strengthening of the judicial system with respect to detainees and defendants and the treatment of victims after the 19 September 2006 coup; and nullification of the 2007 Constitution and preparation of a new one. Yet it seems as though the media, politicians, and ordinary people have concentrated in particular on the first point about the nullification of the consequences of the 19 September 2006 coup. Khana Nitirat has further observed that some media outlets and one group of politicians have misunderstood our proposal, both intentionally and unintentionally.
2. Khana Nitirat wishes to assert once more that the proposal to nullify the consequences of the 19 September 2006 coup is neither a proposal for an amnesty nor a pardon nor an exoneration of those individuals accused of wrongdoing. This is not a proposal to expunge all of the actions of those individuals accused of wrongdoing. If cases are to be brought against these individuals, they can be brought in accordance within the standard legal process. Therefore, no one should continue to claim that Khana Nitirat has proposed to “whitewash” the wrongdoings of the politicians who were accused and prosecuted from processes instigated by and related to the coup of 19 September 2006.
3. The reason that Khana Nitirat proposed to nullify the rulings of the Constitutional Tribunal, the rulings of the Constitutional Court, and the verdicts of the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Persons Holding Political Positions is because the Constitutional Tribunal, the Constitutional Court, and the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Persons Holding Political Positions came to address these cases as a result of a declaration by the Council for Democratic Reform under the Constitutional Monarchy (CDRM). Therefore it cannot be denied that the rulings of the Constitutional Tribunal, the rulings of the Constitutional Court, and the verdicts of the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Persons Holding Political Positions are a result of the 19 September 2006 coup.
4. The Khana Nitirat asserts that the consequences of the 19 September 2006 coup must be nullified. Yet because the effects of the 19 September 2006 coup have come in a variety of forms, establishing rights and responsibilities and having an impact on many people, then in order to maintain stability in the status of law and safeguard trust, the nullification of the consequences of the aforementioned coup must therefore also show consideration to honest people. For this reason, Khana Nitirat did not propose to nullify the 2006 interim Constitution and the 2007 Constitution in their entirety. The particular sections that Khana Nitirat proposed to nullify were Articles 36 and 37 of the 2006 interim Constitution, since these two provisions were an amnesty for the coup and made various actions of the coup junta constitutional.
5. The nullification of the consequences of the 19 September 2006 coup in line with our proposal can be done within the law. Examples of this have been seen in various civilized countries. The examples include the declaration of the judgments in Nazi Germany as null and void; the declaration of various actions of the Vichy regime in France as null and void; the declaration of the sentences passed on individuals who helped refugees who fled from the Nazis to Switzerland as null and void; the declaration of various actions of the military dictatorship in Greece from the time of the coup on 21 April 1967 to 25 November 1973 as null and void; the cancellation of the privileges and protection of the coup junta of 12 September 1980 from having cases brought against them in Turkey; and the efforts to push the legislature to declare judgments made during the Franco regime in Spain null and void.
6. With regards to the doubts about why the Khana Nitirat proposal to nullify the consequences of the coup was limited to the coup of 19 September 2006 only, the position of Khana Nitirat is to reject every coup that nullifies the Constitution and destroys the rule of the law and democracy. Yet the reason why Khana Nitirat proposed to nullify the consequences specifically of the 19 September 2006 coup above others is because the consequences of the 19 September 2006 coup continue to be felt, and are the primary cause of the political conflict that is now deeply rooted in Thai society.
7. The proposal of Khana Nitirat is built on a foundation of not accepting coups. When the legal-political system functions as usual, the pouvoir constituent belongs to the people. In a democratic regime, the people hold the sovereign position. The nullification of the consequences of the coup is fully legal and legitimate.
Khana Nitirat maintains that our statement was made in the interest of advancing knowledge. It is built on the foundation of a complete rejection of the coup. The statement of Khana Nitirat adheres to the principle of respect for a legal process that is correct and just, the principle of stability in the status of law and safeguarding of confidence in upholding the law, and the principle of equal application of the law. These principles are necessary for the rule of law and democracy. Khana Nitirat will protect these principles with the utmost sincerity.
Worachet Pakeerut
Jantajira Iammayura
Thapanan Nipithakul
Teera Suteewarangkurn
Sawatree Suksri
Piyabutr Saengkanokkul
Poonthep Sirinupong
Khana Nitirat: Law for the People
Tha Prajan, 25 September 2011
Translated by Tyrell Haberkorn


Comments
This is wonderful stuff.
This is wonderful stuff. Thank you Khana Nitirat. You have breathed the breathe of life (back?) into the legal structure of Thailand. I hope that all Thais appreciate and embrace your efforts and see them through to fruition.
Will Phua Thai welcome these
Will Phua Thai welcome these proposals or will they be embarrassed by them considering their attempt to snuggle up to the military and the monarchy?
Thailand needs a new political party willing to stand up and push for all the proposals in the Nitirat campaign.
Now is the time to get the message over to all concerned, no more coups.
The 2006 coup was in response
The 2006 coup was in response to the mass murdering autocratic, foreign-backed regime of Thaksin Shinawatra.
To "nullify" justified measures put in place to impede the extra-legal consolidation of power by an agent of foreign corporate-financier interests is both illegitimate and a flagrant abuse of the academic credentials of those involved.
When these "academics" can acknowledge the transgressions and treason of the Shinawatra hereditary dictatorship that is still miring the nation in division, still backed by foreign interests, and still aiming to seize power extralegally, they may have a leg to stand on when explaining why the 2006 coup's results need to be nullified. The threat still exists, and until these academics help nullify Thaksin's megalomania it serves little sense to roll back measures to keep it in check.
Thaksin is verified, documented 100% confirmed to be, along with his UDD red shirts, servants of foreign corporate-financier interests.
THaksin's D.C. lobbying registration can be found here....
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/06/corporate-funded-peoples-movement.html
Thaksin & UDD's ties to corporate-fascists in Wall Street and London can be found documented in full, here....
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/confirmed-thailands-pro-democracy.html
I do not like a military dictatorship - and as soon as Thaksin's poisoned, treasonous, terroristic threat to Thailand is excised, I will fully back such a nullification. Until then, these academics are only carrying water for globalization and its insidious creep across the planet under the guise of "democracy" and "freedom." Academia has really fell into disarray - giving their well packaged opinions to the highest bidders on both sides.
FUK of ! tony c. you,r a
FUK of ! tony c. you,r a nazi paid by the comunist ....
Tony wanted to suck my cock,
Tony wanted to suck my cock, but I said no. That's why he's so bitter.
So Emilio is allowed to use
So Emilio is allowed to use profanity and fill an entire comment up with crass insults - but anyone who dares hold Prachatai accountable for their funding - funding most of their readers are still unaware of and funding Prachatai claims is "innocent" - they get deleted. Likewise - anyone who offers up a consistently opposing view, no matter how intelligently or factually based, will likewise be banned from Prachatai?
Upon reading Prachatai's funding - you will see just why this hypocrisy exists ....
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
Prachatai is indeed funded by the very same Neo-Con corporate fascists in the US that have engineered wars, censorship, and torture on a global scale. This indeed is what we all have to look forward to if Prachatai, the UDD and Thaksin are allowed to prevail - not as if Thaksin wasn't already censoring and eliminating his opponents when last he held power.
A nation's military is
A nation's military is obligated to step in when the rule of law, as it was during Thaksin's rule, is circumvented by autocratic, abusive regimes. Operation Valkyrie is another historical example of the military attempting to excise from a nation's politics a tyrannical regime build on the ignorance and cult like devotion derived from a misled voting public.
The German military's failure to remove Hitler in an expedient manner cost the country millions of lives and decades of painful recovery after the war was over.
Imagine if Cambodia's military was strong enough and acted soon enough to pre-empt the rise of Pol Pot? Look at what happened when they failed. 2 million dead.
Already after 2009 -2010 Thaksin and Co. threatening a "people's war" we see news stories of red shirts planning exclusive political zones called "red villages." At no time in history have moves like this resulted in anything but monolithic tragedy and the military has a right and obligation to intervene.
I'd be impressed by critics of the Thai military and welcome attempts to check their power (an absolute necessity for ALLLLL POWER to be checked, Dems, PTP, and military as well as dangerous cults like UDD and PAD) if they fully recognized the necessity to remove Thaksin from power and exposed the political machine he has built under the cover of "democratic mandate" as well. Failing to recognize abuses on both sides and leveraging "academia" to attack one verses another falls short of legitimacy and diminishes academia as a whole in the process.
Despite the historical warnings of creating "red villages" and cults of personality, these academics are
I got it. He's an off-world
I got it. He's an off-world historian sent to save us from ourselves. Knows the cause of everything, whose fault it was, and what will happen if his advice isn't taken.
Would a true Earthman know all this?
Try studying history - you
Try studying history - you will see for yourself how well it enhances your understanding of current events. I have read the documents produced by Wall Street and London's think tanks - have you?
Have you read "Which Path to Perisa?" by the Brookings Institute? The "String of Pearls" report? Rebuilding America's Defenses by PNAC? Have you even so much as heard of these reports? If you read them you'd understand clearly what is going on today across the world - that is it not spontaneous indigenous movements, but one centrally controlled agenda that has been thoroughly documented years ago.
Here is "Which Path to Persia?" click on the link beneath the picture to read the full, official document.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/05/which-path-to-persia-redux.html
String of Pearls
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/03/target-china.html
And the official report can be found here....
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?pubid=721
Rebuilding America's Defenses - via Project for a New American Century - the same people populating the National Endowment for Democracy which funds Prachatai millions a year.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
Prachatai's funding by these people:
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/11/ned-freedom-house-are-run-by.html
Errin - this is how the world really works. It is not pretty. Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't protect you from it - if you truly believe in progressive ideals why would you NOT want to expose people disingenuously abusing them to do the exact opposite of what you believe should be done?
Well he must be on another
Well he must be on another planet if he thinks supporting LM laws (that block access to information) is the way to get a more educated electorate.
This has nothing to do with
This has nothing to do with "blocking access to information" it has to do with a movement that is on record, verified, 100% confirmed to be working for foreign corporate financier interests, intentionally trying to divide and destroy the country so that it can be bought up for pennies on the dollar - by their sponsors.
Thaksin is already on record trying to ram through a US-Thai FTA without parliamentary approval - and the UDD's leaders have bragged about visiting these same corporate financier interests in Washington just last April.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/confirmed-thailands-pro-democracy.html
Doesn't it strike you as strange that everyone involved in this "LM campaign" of yours is either directly funded by corporate fascists like the National Endowment for Democracy, back in 1993 called a complete fraud by Noam Chomsky, or somehow affiliated or consorting with these people?
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
Hobbs, quite being lazy and do the research. There is nothing sadder than an old tired communist clinging to an ideology deader than the institutions whose time he claims has come to an end.
Wake up, put yourself to task and do something truly brave and progressive. Do the research on these people the system is reacting to - hold them accountable - just as you pretend to hold the system accountable. This movement is disingenuous - a power struggle dressed up as revolution. It is maliciously hijacking the time, energy, and attention of people across the country to help fight what is a battle between elitists - when these people should be pursing independent, self-sufficient, pragmatic solutions to their own problems and working to improve their own lives for their own best interests.
This is a truly brave and
This is a truly brave and progressive action. Ordinary people opposing the power of Sino-Thai business, the blood-stained military and the old and decrepit royalist elite. It is easy to see which side is progressive and brave.
I hope you're kidding - first
I hope you're kidding - first you sound like a Communist and a bit of a racist "Sino-Thai" and also slightly delusional if you do in fact believe that since Thaksin is probably the most overt example of abusive, autocratic, treasonous "Sino-Thai" you can find. At the end of the day it has nothing to do with him or anyone else being "Sino-Thai" and rather Thaksin, the UDD, and traitors like Prachatai taking money from Neo Con scum - just plain being human trash. It has nothing to do with their nationality - but thanks for showing us how small you really are intellectually.
You say "ordinary people" yet that too is an absolute verified lie. Ordinary people led by Thaksin and his UDD who are all on record serving foreign corporate-fascist interests - this is a fact you CAN NOT REFUTE - you have utterly FAILED to refute and just keep beating your gums endlessly praying to Christ that each time no one actually clicks on my research, follows the links and documentation and sees what a total fraud and liar you are.
Here is, once again - absolute definitive proof that these "ordinary people" are being misled, manipulated, and deceived by servants of foreign corporate fascists - including Prachatai.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/confirmed-thailands-pro-democracy.html
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
Nitirat are brave group of
Nitirat are brave group of people who deserve support for daring to take on the lese majeste law and the unprincipled actions of a military junta and its backers in high places. No rant can diminish their bold and laudable efforts. I expect Nitirat to come under sustained pressure from the elite and their supporters, and all who are progressive need to give them substantial and unwavering support.
It is rich to be accused of being a Communist and then you say: "taking money from Neo Con scum - just plain being human trash," which strikes me as Stalinist or Pol Pot-like in its denigration of others as somehow less than normal humans. If by using the term "Sino-Thai" I seem racist to you, I'd far rather be that than a delusional being who berates everyone but himself as scum and morons. What kind of person takes pride in talking at people they think are scum and morons?
Congratulations to Nitirat
Congratulations to Nitirat for this dogged effort to hold the military and other coup plotters accountable for their illegal acts. History is on their side!
THANK YOU KHANA NITIRAT !
THANK YOU KHANA NITIRAT ! WONDERFUL WONDERFUL ! AND WE WILL SUPPORT YOU .....
MAY BUDDHA PLESS YOU
Where was Tony when Hitler
Where was Tony when Hitler came to power? Where will he be when the nonsense stops? A guy with no need for outside funding can go anywhere...
It is foolish to propose that external funding is of necessity evil, and ignore sources of internal funding that may themselves be equally or far more evil. It is foolish to presuppose one's own writings as authoritarian and yet intentionally hide behind anonymity as if that authority needed no inspection.
Prachatai taking millions a
Prachatai taking millions a year - in fact existing solely because of US National Endowment for Democracy, USAID, and Soros funding DOES destroy their credibility and deride their agenda as an absolute fraud. That they not only take the money, but they re-post, translate, and parrot NED & US State Department talking points shows that not only do they take the money, but they are executing a given, not independent agenda.
They also deceptively hid their funding for years and only just recently revealed it after tremendous pressure was put on them. They STILL have the nerve to claim they are independent despite proving they aren't on a daily basis.
And again, Prachatai's funding is a matter of public record - thanks to me. The National Endowment for Democracy's board of directors is ALSO a matter of record. So are the documents, biographical profiles, and documentation that prove that the National Endowment for Democracy is full of Neo-Conservative, warmongering corporate fascists, corporate lobbyists, and manipulators that use their network of NGOs like Prachatai, to execute their agendas.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
http://ned.org/about/board
Again - how does my identity affect any of these facts? They don't! You simply are too much a coward, a liar, and an intellectual deficient to effectively deal with the truth as you peddle your own pack of lies. You are not even aware that by questioning my funding - of which I have none by the way - you automatically make Prachatai's funding an issue. How could my funding matter - yet Prachatai's funding not? And how are you still defending Prachatai as "not necessarily evil" when they HID THEIR FUNDING AND LIED TO THEIR READERSHIP FOR YEARS!!! They deceived them so thoroughly that when I first exposed them, their supporters, many of whom had been to their office, said it was IMPOSSIBLE for them to receive the amounts I was talking about.
They LIED - I was telling the truth. You and Prachatai CONTINUE to lie. Who's credibility is in question? My anonymity is for my safety - because clearly I am exposing real duplicity here. I don't want to be co-opted like Chomsky was - I want to be a thorn in the side of liars, FAKE progressives and traitors for MANY years to come.
Well done Nititrat Group -
Well done Nititrat Group - Thaland belongs to its people - time to end military rule
The madness continues.
The madness continues. PPT/New Mandala have posts on a new LM case involving a university student: https://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/2012/01/03/thammasat-student-gets-summons-on-new-lese-majeste-charge/ and http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2011/12/02/thailands-fearlessness-free-akong/#comment-899360.
This is the young student set
This is the young student set upon by the Fascist Thai SS, the Social Sanction group, in 2010.
18-year-old's Facebook Posting Spurs 'Hate Campaign'
Freedom House specifically
Freedom House specifically cited her case in their Freedom on the Net 2011 - Thailand
The Royalist Thai SS are running wild.
But who is Freedom House and
But who is Freedom House and aren't they COMPLETELY COMPROMISED?
Yes I think they are indeed - for one Kenneth Adelman who sits on the Freedom House Board of Trustees - yes really - see here:
http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=10
Was also Thaksin Shinawatra's lobbyist via the Edelman PR firm. So right there already their credibility and impartiality is shot completely.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/06/corporate-funded-peoples-movement.html
Here is Adelman singing a very familiar, shall we say Amsterdam-esque tune ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rjkODLQpPw
Then if you do even the slightest bit of research regarding the rest of the human refuse populating Freedom House's board you will see they are all card-carrying Neo-Cons, many of whom have signed at least one, others several, statements promoting war, invasion, expanded occupation, and outright global hegemony via the Project for the New American Century. This includes Paula Dobriansky, Dan Quayle (formally), and Donald Rumsfeld (formally). Not exactly what one thinks of when presented with Prachatai & Co.'s FAKE progressive front.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/11/ned-freedom-house-are-run-by.html
Again, JFL you are such an absolute fraud anyone who takes even a second or two to scratch just beneath the tenuously packaged facade you promote will see rotting filth a mile deep. Prachatai, btw, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, of which Freedom House is a subsidiary of - both of which are funded by the US State Department. FRAUD!!!
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
Can we take that as another
Can we take that as another YES from you Tony?
(You have already indicated that you support multi decade jail sentences for those who dare seek/speak the truth, and now it looks like YES you also support a witchhunt against a 17 yo high school girl)
Another Disgrace
Don't forget that broken
Don't forget that broken clocks are right twice a day, Hobby.
That goes for both 'Tony C' and Kenneth Adelman as well.
Tony cites the the abuses of Adelman and the neo-cons to lend cred to his background campaign for continued control of Thailand by the "pure" people who are in "possession of the 'real' truth" -- to use Mike's phrase. So too do Adleman and the neo-cons attempt to buy cred by citing the abuses of others, while pushing their own 'program' sotte voce, they hope, in the background.
Other people have picked up some of Tony's product, notably Axis of Logic, on the basis of his rant against the globalizing west. At the end of that article Toney starts to morph into a spokesperson for the 'encircled' Russians and Chinese. If he tunes that up a little he might find that he's discovered a steady source of funding himself. In fact, perhaps he already has.
As far a funding goes, I have given up the Bohr model of money and accepted the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and QED. Money just spends more time 'orbiting' the 1% and less time orbiting the rest of us. All the money in your wallet and mine 'belongs' to the 1% if you do a time study analysis of its residence.
I hate to take up space talking about an epiphenomenon like 'Tony C'. Making one's way through the comment section is like a stroll in the pasture these days, always mindful of stepping in the pasture paddies. My recommendation to prachatai was that they start a separate Tony C section, where we could all go to read his latest variation on his theme, or not, as we wished. No need to keep more then the last 100 or so I'd imagine. Putting 'Tony C' out to pasture would restore the comments sections to meadows, where we could all kick off our shoes and joyously run barefoot, once again.
JFL - Hillary Clinton
JFL - Hillary Clinton literally said she was going to realign ASEAN to encircle China. It's called "America's Pacific Century."
Funny enough, Neo-Con Robert Kagan of various Fortune 500 funded think-tanks including some of those now permanently advising Clinton's State Department, wrote an identical article almost 10 years ago.
http://carnegieendowment.org/1997/01/20/what%2Dchina%2Dknows%2Dthat%2Dwe%2Ddon%2Dt%2Dcase%2Dfor%2Dnew%2Dstrategy%2Dof%2Dcontainment/5bdl?solr_hilite=Thailand
There is also a US SSI report titled, "String of Pearls: Meeting the Challenge of China's Rising Power Across the Asian Littoral" on the same subject matter of controlling China's oil life line and encircling it with Southeast Asian countries.
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?pubid=721
All of which is summarized in my work here.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/11/hillary-clinton-and-new-american.html
So out of your ranting pack of lies we see already you trying to laugh off things that have been a matter of record for years - and I have, unlike you, proven my argument with documented fact. But isn't it strange that I am the one that should be "put out to the pasture" when I am the only one consistently deferring to fact while you fill comment after comment with incoherent drivel neither on-topic nor factually based?
What really upsets you is that in almost every post I tell readers that Prachatai is funded MILLIONS of baht every year by corporate-fascist US Neo-Cons and provide a link to the irrefutable evidence. This is not for your benefit, this is for the unfortunate reader that comes across Prachatai without full knowledge of who they are and who they really work for. Progressives they are not.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
And finally JFL, you closet fascist - freedoms aren't up for a vote. You either stand for freedom of speech, or you don't - you suggesting that I be put away is hilariously hypocritical, making an utter mockery out of your daily hand-wringing over Thailand's slights against human rights. You should be allowed to drivel on and on endlessly in every comment thread - but others who do so, but with opposing views should be "put out to pasture." Bravo!
Quote: "I have always been
Quote: "I have always been afraid of people in possession of what they believe is the truth. They'll do anything to see that the facts are changed and whipped into shape to agree with it."
I have no doubt that you have researched your subject throughly and indeed it is something of a crusade from your perspective. However, I fear that your message is substantially tarnished by your belief that only those who are a) pure and b) in possession of the 'real' truth are in a position to judge both corporate and individual motives. If you allow this line of thought to develop we all end up in a state where nothing is open to question because, by asking the question, one disqualifies oneself under a) and/or b) above.
Your voice should be heard but not to the extent that it drowns out everybody else's.
Can't agree with you more.
Can't agree with you more. Case in point, the infamous Ted K. who is by all measures intellctually a genious, became obsessed and preoccupied with matters and ideologies that drove him over the edge. His manifesto included subjects like self-sufficiency, anti-leftism, technological conflicts. Sounds eerily familiar?
So everyone that promotes
So everyone that promotes self-sufficiency is a deranged psychopath? Sorry NSS - you're not even trying. Prachatai is lying to its readers. They take money from RIGHT-WING CORPORATE FASCISTS while pretending to be left-leaning progressives. Is pointing that out "anti-left" or in fact, pro-left as it is an attempt to show how progressive causes are being hijacked by disingenuous warmongering corporate-elite?
Prachatai's US corporate fascist funding: http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
National Endowment for Democracy & Freedom House's background: http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/11/ned-freedom-house-are-run-by.html
If any of these facts are inaccurate - by now you or someone else would have pointed it out with a documented rebuttal. You haven't, and more importantly, you can't - because all of my research sources Prachatai and its sponsors' own websites, signed documents and letters, and official US government archival data.
Technological conflicts? Not even sure what that means - but since Kaczynski was against modern technology I would assume you mean that I too advocate something similar. However, I am in fact a great advocate of how technology can empower individuals above and beyond dependency on the state, that's another accusation of yours soundly refuted by my own writings.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/01/caging-humanity.html
I do invite you to illustrate how I am "anti-left" - since I am anti-war, anti-globalization, anti-corporate-fascism, and have written entire articles tearing down in particular the right-wing, Neo-Conservative establishment in America.
'However, I am in fact a
'However, I am in fact a great advocate of how technology can empower individuals above and beyond dependency on the state.'
Well, guess where 99% of all important technologies were created and developed from.
And Tony, you condemn the
And Tony, you condemn the leftism in the mass of red shirts. You made the statement and you know it. But maybe not, you made so many statements you forget a lot of them.
Red shirts are "left-wing?"
Red shirts are "left-wing?" How exactly is a movement run by a corporate-fascist Sino-Thai billionaire backed by the biggest lobbying firms on Wall Street, and in Washington and London "left-wing?" Did it ever occur to you, since everyone in the UDD, PTP, and even propagandists like Prachatai are tied DIRECTLY to corporate-fascist right-wing Neo-Cons - that talk of being "left" and "progressive" is simply propaganda to build up support - you know, sort of like how they lie to their people to drop bombs on and start wars in countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iran, Vietnam, Panama, Somalia, Yemen, Uganda, etc?
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/confirmed-thailands-pro-democracy.html
When you can address the fact that these "left sympathizers" are consorting with the biggest right-wing fascists on Earth, maybe you'll have a leg to stand on, though I can't imagine what your excuse would possibly be for the UDD leadership to be constantly consorting with Fortune 500 corporations and their lobbyists.
Again - we have many examples of the elite lying to the masses to get what they want - we have very, VERY FEW examples of truly left movements organized top-down like the UDD is, actually doing what's best for the people. In fact, it looks identical to what "People Power" Hun Sen of Cambodia is doing in his country - a complete right-wing fascist hiding behind left-ideals for decades.
Your characterization of red
Your characterization of red shirts here and in every one of your comments and posts is flawed by a logic that defies understanding. Don't come back at me with all the usual rants; I know them by heart, and repeating them just makes them sillier.
BTW, you are getting shoddier by the day and increasingly tawdry Tony. A few days ago, when I used the term "Sino-Thai capitalists," you called me racist. Now it is okay for you to use the term "Sino-Thai billionaire." Your double standards are on show again.
How can you comprehend terms like progressive when you can't even recall your own criticisms of others despite them usually being repetitive rants?
Is it "racist" or
Is it "racist" or hypocritical to point out that you claim the country is run by Sino-Thai captialists, when the movement you support, Thaksin Shinwatra's UDD/PTP is literally led by a Sino-Thai billionaire that works for foreign corporate-fascists???
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/confirmed-thailands-pro-democracy.html
I'm pointing out what an immense hypocrite you are and continue to be. Thaksin Shinawatra, is a Sino-Thai billionaire. That is a fact. You made a generalization - which is ignorant and biased and of course, unsubstantiated - as are all your claims -with any sort of fact or statistic.
The fact stands that the UDD and PTP are all subsidiaries of Thaksin's political movement, which is in turn supported by the biggest corporate-fascists on Earth - out of Wall Street and London. The movement is such a fraud - yet people like you will still defend it holding up as evidence, the genuine, well-intentioned people, tricked into supporting as evidence that it's not all that bad.
This is exactly what the Neo-Con scumbags do to defend their murderous genocidal wars - circumvent the lies that started them, the scum leading them, the war profiteers reaping trillions from fighting them, and show us pictures of well-intentioned troops on the ground suffering and sacrificing for "the cause." I can't think of anything more intellectually despicable Albert - but of course, Prachatai is funded by these Neo-Con scumbags so why wouldn't you sell "humanitarian causes" in the same fashion as Prachatai's sponsors sell genocide and empire???
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
To point out that would not
To point out that would not be racist. But that's not what you did. You claimed it was racist to even nominate "Sino-Thai" as a designation for the capitalist ruling class. That was stupid, especially as you use the same term. But that, it seems, in just fine and dandy. You are a complete fraud with no capacity for thought that is consistent. Give it away Tony, we all know you are a fraudulent troll.
(self) Sufficiency can be a
(self) Sufficiency can be a virtue, I suppose, in theory. In real life I have yet to come across anyone who'd rather have too little than too much and given it's a rarity that a person has just enough, you know where I'm going. Promoting it and preaching about it more often than not comes out as either sour grapes or hypocrisy. The wonderful technology you and I are enjoying and benefitting from are certainly not invented by people who felt things are sufficient as they are. Just my opinion, Tony.
Sufficiency,
Sufficiency, sustainability... control. Since the collapse of the great totalitarian socialist states and their replacement by 'democratic', or undemocratic, capitalist states the pursuit of the capitalist model for life on earth is now flat-out, and an unsustainable one. Americans are 5% of the planet's population, consume 20% of the world's resources... and want more. Now everyone on earth is aspiring to that same way of life. It would require 400% of the world's resources and remain unsatisfied. Insufficient. You know where I'm going. All of us can see that a change has gotta come, but all of us must admit that our present 'democracies' are out of our control. We must first seize power and control ourselves.
It is true that, absurdly, those living in the most unsustainable fashion are prescribing a more sustainable way of life for everyone but themselves here in Thailand, labelled as 'sufficiency'. Their ridiculous attempt to co-opt sustainability in no way makes it less essential to embrace, to have sufficient control of the levers of power to see to it that our entire system is restructured to make it possible for us to continue living on earth... to make our way of life sustainable.
Some is good, more is better, too-much is just right. That's the meme I grew up with. It's foolish. It's pursuit doesn't even produce what's advertised : individual happiness and fulfilment. We all know that too. We just hate change. But a change is gonna come.
I prefer one with a future that stretches as far as the mind can see. Individuals have the right to commit suicide, but no one has the right to 'pave paradise and put up a parking lot', to destroy the bounteous world we were born into, 'undeserving', and to foreclose the future of all forms of life who come after us.
Fusing ethics and aesthetics we might find peace and joy in sustainability and satisfaction in restoration to be sufficient ends in themselves. Was it Churchill who said, "Americans always do the right thing, after they've tried everything else." That applies not just to Americans of course. It's apparent what we're doing wrong. What's missing is the commitment to fixing it, and that commitment will never come from those 'enjoying' the spoils. It must come form those burned by the system. As the the ratio of the one to the other does in fact approach 1% to 99% the possibility of change becomes palpable.
That, I can live with.
That, I can live with.
All projection on my part, of
All projection on my part, of course. Whistling past the cemetery. Who knows the future? We can have the one we choose, though, if we choose one.
Self-sufficiency has
Self-sufficiency has absolutely NOTHING to do with "sustainability" or living "sufficiently." Again you didn't even read what I wrote and are putting words into my mouth. And even Thailand's theory of self-sufficiency, while it includes a pretext of doing it sustainably - i.e. not overreaching - still promotes progress, not perpetual happiness being stuck where you are. In fact, the initiative is spelled out in immense detail and can be found here...
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/07/wisdom-from-orient-self-sufficiency.html
Here - actually READ what I wrote - self-sufficiency means being autonomous, not living "sufficiently." If you bothered to read my articles you will actually discover that I am a vehement opponent of mere sustainability as the UN articulates and promotes in their Agenda 21 report - which I literally call the "caging of humanity." !!!!
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/01/caging-humanity.html
Is this seriously how you craft your view of the world? Read the title or a sentence someone wrote, and discard pages of research and simply jump to conclusions based on wild accusations and assumptions???
So here it is again - I hope you read it this time.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/01/caging-humanity.html
What is perhaps the most hilarious is that you think somehow a political movement run by elitists - such as PTP & UDD who are not visionaries or revolutionaries, but simply elitists who aspire to replace one establishment with their own, somehow hold the keys to progress. They don't - no politician ever has. It has always been innovators, inventors, explorers, and engineers that have pushed the frontiers of humanity forward making all in its wake more accessible to others. I write about this quite often too...
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/04/free-markets-socialism-alternative-view.html
def. Self-sufficiency:
def. Self-sufficiency: "refers to the state of not requiring any outside aid, support, or interaction, for survival; it is therefore a type of personal or collective autonomy."
Not "sufficiently" but "self-sufficiency." Two completely different words. Now I suggest you go and read my work again - I mean, ACTUALLY READ it before making long winded rants about how I'm wrong. Because you are arguing against a statement I never made and an idea - "sustainability" as the UN preaches that I in fact oppose...
I'm talking about shifting responsibilities from states and corporations into the hands of individuals and using modern technology and advances in cheap or free access to world-class education to make it happen.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/01/caging-humanity.html
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/03/globalists-worst-nightmare.html
It seems you hold such irrational hatred towards the King of Thailand and any idea or concept he may promote - and so you feel a necessity to cut down anyone that sings even remotely a similar tune. Unfortunately, political solutions have never created real progress - instead it has always been innovators, inventors, engineers, and explorers that have changed our world for the better. I advocate people pursuing these endeavors rather than becoming pawns in a political power struggle that will ultimately accomplish - as it always has - nothing.
'Unfortunately, political
'Unfortunately, political solutions have never created real progress - instead it has always been innovators, inventors, engineers, and explorers that have changed our world for the better.'
So how do you suppose these products are brought about if not by means of capitalization which almost always involves the systems and methods employed by the biggest villains in your book? There is something to be said about not biting the hand that feeds you. It is not difficult to see through that you have this ax to grind. You are angry and hateful for a reason and I believe it's a personal one. Anger and hatred are not a good foundation nor reason for your incessant attempt to indoctrinate others who simply don't share your beliefs.
Bankers and
Bankers and corporate-fascists are NOT necessary for progress, though I'd suppose you'd argue that war and greed have also spurred "progress" and that these too are "hands we shouldn't bite." You play the part of a "progressive" but you are a regressive closet fascist. Study the history of science, innovation, and discovery and you will see how profoundly wrong & utterly delusional you are.
And no pointing out verified facts - such as Prachatai is funded by corporate-fascists or that these same corporate fascists are all on record backing Thaksin Shinawatra, and also behind the Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya wars, and that they represent corporate-fascist interests that are now OFFICIALLY advising the US State Department via a permanent board - is not me attempting to "indoctrinate others."
Prachatai's corporate fascist funding
US State Department's new corporate advisory board.
Thaksin & the UDD's Wall Street backers.
These are called verified, documented facts. Pointing them out is not "indoctrination" but rather education. Your attempt to distract away from facts with comment after comment of empty, baseless rhetoric desperately attacking me and loaded with emotionally charged nonsense is an attempt to indoctrinate people.
You want to talk about
You want to talk about "indoctrination?"
Here, read this - oh and notice how it is the EXACT same peanut gallery commenting on this "Issan Record" as here on US State Department funded Prachatai. Coincidence?
http://isaanrecord.com/2011/11/19/in-udon-red-villages-grow-into-red-districts/
I love this part the best...
"Everyone would like to say that we’re waiting for the day when we own our real freedom… And we want Thaksin back as soon as possible!”
And while everyone keeps claiming the UDD is separate from Thaksin which is an utter joke since his own political clique runs it from top to bottom and red shirt after red shirt openly worships Thaksin like a god, even in the article itself it's all MPs running the radio stations and UDD leaders (Thaksin stooges) coming district to district to indoctrinate the ignorant masses. Preceding this article was an assessment of education in Issan indicating that the average secondary school graduate was scarcely able to read a newspaper. Now don't you think classes on how to READ are a little more important than Thaksin's corporate-fascist foreign-funded version of "democracy?"
Thaksin works for Wall Street and London - FACT - so that makes this whole movement an absolute fraud, hoax, and a cruel manipulation of these people.
Thaksin and UDD's Wall Street connections.
I also like the mentions of Gene Sharp in the comment sections -a bonafide CIA collaborator who despoiled nation after nation for Wall Street and London....
The fraud that is Gene Sharp.
That you people shamelessly promote this crass, transparent exploitation of the weak, vulnerable, and ignorant doesn't surprise me, but it should shock anyone who was under the impression that you were "progressive." This literally is the 1% raping the masses. And you've given it both thumbs up.
I am progressive in wanting
I am progressive in wanting to see changes that bring about equality and fairness and also conservative in observing and respecting proven things of value. Your labelling of me is meaningless because I know in my heart what I believe in. What really baffled me was your statement suggesting that I had hatred for the king. Hatred happens to be what I believe is the number one root cause of the troubles of the world. Something you should know a thing or two about.
Anyone else noticed that The
Anyone else noticed that The troll now seems to be replying to himself....
The point of the post was Nitirat. This group, which is not simplistically "pro-Thaksin" or even "pro-UDD" is suggesting a winding back of the rules put in place following a military coup. That sounds sensible and reasonable to me. Indeed, nns, it is progressive.
Only... Prachatai IS funded
Only... Prachatai IS funded millions of baht a year by corporate-fascist Neo-Cons and lies to its readers about being "independent." Those funding Prachatai are tied directly to the US State Department and the largest corporate-financier interests on earth. They have build an empire by leveraging concepts such as "democracy" and "human rights" to mislead well-intentioned people.
So what exactly are you trying to say? There is a logical explanation or a viable excuse as to why, year-to-year Prachatai takes money from the scum of humanity? Why they are associated, supported by, and constantly re-post the talking points of Freedom House who is chaired by one of Thaksin Shinawatra's corporate lobbyists? Prachatai is a fraud, the people defending them are either misled or in many cases frauds themselves. You can put off dealing with these facts with your long winded incoherent rants for a while, but not forever. Eventually inquisitive minds are going to want to know why "Tony" is either censored or why Prachatai won't deal with obvious contradictions between their funding and association with corporate fascists and their supposed progressive, humanitarian "cause."
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
Nitirat are the topic and
Nitirat are the topic and their work is brave and progressive.
Yes it is. And yes it is. I
Yes it is. And yes it is. I wish I could go to Thammasat on the 15th and especially on the 22nd. I don't think I'll be missed. No farang body is really helpful at these two landmark events, as we literally have no standing and can be identified as an alien influence on the otherwise racially pure Thai populace.
I certainly do hope they are well attended by Thais of all shapes, colors, and religions and that vibrant discussion ensues and consensus arises. Then forward march!
You know, Albert, I had
You know, Albert, I had occasion to review the Text of the Rockford College graduation speech Chris Hedges made on 17 May 2003 and to note the parallels between the hysterical reaction engendered by a reasonable voice among a crowd celebrating unreason then, and the hysterical reaction the Social Sanction group are visiting upon this 19 year-old Thammasat student here in Thailand now, and have been for well over a year.
Amy Goodman interviewed Hedges a few days after the speech, and what Hedges said then...
cont'd... As I gave my
cont'd...
...drives home the parallels between the hysterical reaction in the US to anything other than blind patriotism in 2003 and the hysterical reaction in Thailand to anything other than blind patriotism in 2012.
Both stark and sobering
A conservative in a developed
A conservative in a developed country such as the US or UK is still a hundred times more progressive than an average Thai. In other words, Thailand needs to become a lot more progressive to catch up with the modern world. That is if it wants to be part of the modern world. Tony, if you don't have this sense of relativity and reality then all your rantings and preachings are really meaningless.
So the Thai establishment
So the Thai establishment will be "civilized" once they stop protecting nationalism and start lying to the population to justify 10 years of war in a foreign oil-laden nation, millions killed, and trillions lost on "nation building" (read: imperialism)?
Or maybe when they codify indefinite detention, legalize torture, and the extra-judicial execution of their own citizens, and overtly fork over trillions of dollars to corporate-financier elite who have lost fortunes gambling and creating speculative bubbles? After all, this is what the rest of the "modern world" is busy doing as of now, to the detriment of billions, and for the benefit of probably a few thousand.
NNS -anyone comparing the war criminals of Wall Street and London over the last 100 years to Thailand's establishment lacks a "sense of relativity and reality" and therefore their rants (your rant) are/is meaningless.
The only thing I can see, is that the West is better at covering up their immense transgressions against humanity than the Thai elite are regarding their relatively minor transgressions against their fellow Thais. But if you read my work, you will see that I take their side no more than I take the global elites'. I am a firm believer in the people deciding their own fate, and I don't mean by picking one of two elitists in an election either. I'm talking real people power - and since you are a closet corporate-fascist that scares you more than anything else.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/03/globalists-worst-nightmare.html
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/01/caging-humanity.html
This will be possibly a vain
This will be possibly a vain attempt to bring this conversation back to the article it was originally based on.
Nitirat want a situation where military coups are always illegal and the instigators and proponents of them cannot write laws to give themselves immunity. This should be seen as eminently reasonable by all, even the instigators of the coups themselves.
The characteristic argument of the coupsters is that the country is in such a state that desperate and illegal actions had to be taken for the good of the country itself. Some have even talked about the sacrifices they as soldiers are willing to make for the country.
Well, all of this might ring truer if they were prepared to hold the coup, put the country back on the right track and then submit themselves to the pre-existing laws against their illegal activities and possibly be executed or spend the rest of their lives in prison, satisfied in the knowledge that they had made an honorable sacrifice of themselves for their country.
I think we all could admire such a person even if we thought they were misguided. But the first order of business for the coupsters is always to pass a law that saves their own skins.
Only all armies across the
Only all armies across the globe are charged with protecting their nation from all enemies foreign and domestic - meaning autocratic tyrants that circumvent and rewrite laws to consolidate total control over a nation and is engaged in atrocities against his own citizenry must be removed, by necessity by force and it is the nation's military charged with executing this duty.
Coups should not be done arbitrarily or for purely political reasons, but Thaksin is ON-RECORD working for foreign corporate-financier interests since BEFORE he became PM and he still to this day is serving foreign interests. He oversaw the extra-judicial execution of over 2,500 people in the streets of Thailand against people who had nothing to do with the "drug war" he was supposedly carrying out. When told to investigate these deaths he did nothing, and still considers the mass murdering of innocent people a feather in his political cap as do many of his misguided followers.
Nitirat is failing entirely to address the legitimate concerns that provoked the coup in the first place and refuse to acknowledge that Thaksin and his personality cult are still very much in tact, as is his measure of his treason and his insidious foreign-driven agenda. Roll back the 2006 Coup when the reason it was hatched in the first place is likewise rolled back. Until then, all it looks like Nitirat is doing is trying to eliminate possible obstacles for Thaksin's full return and criminal consolidation of power over Thai politics - hardly academic, but hardly surprising - as expected as US-funded Prachatai praising them endlessly.
Tom Hoy, you are half right, we should be able to agree on rolling back the results of the 2006 coup - granted that Thaksin's autocratic, manipulative, cultist political machine is likewise dismantled. The option of permanently removing coups as a check & balance can only be done if likewise measures are put into place to prevent another exploitative Hun Sen/Thaksin-style "people power" movement. Banning political indoctrination schools, foreign-funded NGOs like Prachatai, red villages, street mobs like UDD and PAD for example.
An autocratic government
An autocratic government needs to be dealt with by due process. It may not be quick or simple but it's the only proper way. A perceived 'quick fix' with the coup is always fraught with consequences such as we have seen happening. This is even not to mention the flabbergasting conflict of interest issue involving the men in uniforms being in charge unless of course you are in favor of the the system of military dictatorship.
Nope sorry - you can't use
Nope sorry - you can't use "due process" when the process has been circumvented or entirely compromised. You need to have multiple checks and balances, all nations have them, including the US where as all soldiers, sailors, Marines, and airmen take oaths to defend their nation against all enemies foreign and domestic. That specifically includes the rise of autocratic tyrants, the likes of which the United States broke away from in England thus becoming an independent nation in the first place.
Coups are definitely not preferable and a method of last resort but should never be entirely removed as such a balance. And again, Thaksin was SERVING FOREIGN CORPORATE FASCIST INTERESTS - and STILL IS TODAY.
Do you not acknowledge that? Or the impossibility of using "due process" to dislodge this traitor from power? Do you not see him STILL building a huge political machine and a personality cult for the sole purpose of nullifying even the military as an obstacle to his unwarranted consolidation of power & his foreign backers rendering him aid in doing so?
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/06/corporate-funded-peoples-movement.html
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/confirmed-thailands-pro-democracy.html
And again, I am not for a military dictatorship and would like to see the 2006 Coup's ramifications reversed just as soon as Thaksin's political machine, personality cult, and the army of foreign-funded NGOs that supports them are dismantled. Neither represents aspects of a free society, both immeasurably threaten the future of Thailand.
'Do you not acknowledge that?
'Do you not acknowledge that? Or the impossibility of using "due process" to dislodge this traitor from power? Do you not see him STILL building a huge political machine and a personality cult for the sole purpose of nullifying even the military as an obstacle to his unwarranted consolidation of power & his foreign backers rendering him aid in doing so?'
No.
Again, as always every time
Again, as always every time someone gives you documented evidence, such as the fact that Thaksin is a foreign corporate-funded traitor - and you simply say "No" you don't see that - it reflects poorly on yourself and your credibility.
Here is the link again- you saying "no" you don't see that, means you are a liar. It is a documented fact that both Thaksin, the UDD, and even fake NGOs like Prachatai are working for foreign corporate interests and are illegitimate/frauds.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/confirmed-thailands-pro-democracy.html
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
No conscious objective reader is going to look at your rant-after-rant of childish responses to the documented evidence I provide and be convinced you know your subject matter or are speaking to the truth. If I was so wrong, it would an easy matter to provide fact after documented fact to prove me wrong - sort of like what I do regarding your comments - only you can't and neither can any of the other frauds here on US-funded Prachatai.
Get it right Tony, these are
Get it right Tony, these are not facts in the sense that "fact" is normally understood. They are your interpretations that become repetitive rants. You come up with a few links, a meeting here and there and voila! a conspiracy is born. No need to repeat all the stuff you usually post in response to this. I have read it before. What you repetitively dish out is an exaggerated conspiracy theory, nothing more. I have yet to see anyone buying it, but you keep hawking it in true troll fashion.
The point of the original post is Nitirat's excellent work. Nitirat are brave group who deserve support for taking on the lese majeste law and the unprincipled actions of a military junta. I for one look forward to the launch of their new campaign.
It is a fact that the
It is a fact that the National Endowment of Democracy is chaired by corporate fascist Neo-Cons and fund Prachatai millions of baht year-to-year.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
It is a documented fact that the largest Wall Street/London lobbying firms have been supporting Thaksin Shinawatra since 2006, and many of these firms have direct ties to NED - such as Kenneth Adelman, former Thaksin lobbyist chairs NED subsidiary Freedom House.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/06/corporate-funded-peoples-movement.html
It is an absolute, documented fact that UDD leaders consorted with NED and Fortune 500 corporations in Washington D.C. in April 2011.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/confirmed-thailands-pro-democracy.html
Facts, not my interpretations of them. Nitirat's willful ignoring of these facts when asking the military to stand down in the face of a foreign-funded plot to subvert and replace Thailand's national institutions is dishonest, one sided, and fits in perfectly with the disingenuous campaign directed by the US State Department. You cannot roll back a coup if you've failed to roll back transgressions made by the Shinawatra government the coup overthrew.
Hardly a conspiracy theory. Fact-based common sense.
Sorry for getting you all
Sorry for getting you all riled up. Your calling people liars and frauds imply you never lied and never committed frauds which makes you at best a hypocrite or at worst delusional but likely both. Again, sorry.
Former congressman Dick
Former congressman Dick Gephardt is the current chairman of the NED. I'm not particularly a fan of his but I'd hardly call him a "corporate fascist Neo-Con" based upon his record. If I recall, he was adamantly against NAFTA and permanent normalized trade with China.
Admittedly, I don't know a whole lot about the current Vice-Chair, Dr. Judy Shelton. However, she is on the advisory council of Best Friends, an organization that promotes a schoolbased program for disadvantaged adolescent girls. Shelton and her husband fund college scholarships for Best Friends participants through their private foundation. If she is who Tony claims she is then they sure are growing an odd crop of corporate fascist Neo-Cons lately.
As for funding Prachatai "millions of baht" year to year, it is precisely US$50,000. An amount which is clearly made public by both the NED and Prachatai.
Nice try, here is the link to
Nice try, here is the link to the NED board of directors:
http://www.ned.org/about/board
Francis Fukuyama
Zalmay Khalilzad
Will Marshall
Vin Weber
...are all NED directors, and all signatories of the Hitlerian Project for a New American Century, co-signed by the likes of Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Armitage, Richard Perle, John Boloton, etc. etc. etc.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/lettersstatements.htm
And again, this is all included in my research, if you were truly objective you would read it and check my sources before trying to write me off just because I propose a view that challenges your current perspective.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
These are the people funding Prachatai millions a year - and their subsidiary, Freedom House has Kenneth Adelman serving as a trustee - that is, the former lobbyist of Thaksin Shinawatra.
http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?boardmember=4&page=10
You'll also notice Paula Dobriansky and Max Kampelman sitting on Freedom House's board of trustees - immense warmongering, corporate fascist, card carrying Neo-Cons. I'm sorry, but their involvement, along with former trustees including Donald Rumsfeld, Dan Quayle, James Woolsey, and Carlyle Group's Frank Carlucci (Thaksin was also an adviser to Carlyle before and during his term in office) derides entirely the legitimacy of these organizations, who have been noted by everyone from Noam Chomsky (see the video of him denouncing their work as fraud) to Australia's Southern Cross University's "Activating Human Rights & Peace (AHRP)" who accused NED of carrying out "a lot of work that was formerly undertaken by the CIA"
http://www.scu.edu.au/research/cpsj/human_rights/AHRP2008_Proc_Final.pdf
I'm not sure how you could have looked at the board of directors and researched the names there and not seen this - again - read my research and follow the truth no matter how uncomfortable it makes you.
Told you not to repeat it all
Told you not to repeat it all Tony. It is clear that you can't read with any accuracy. My comment was that putting together an odd fact or two and making a conspiratorial interpretation is not a factual account.
I know that feeding trolls is inappropriate, but let's take one example.
In your diatribe on red shirts being the tools of international capitalist-fascism, you have one red shirt letter posted at a web site that says: "We are happy to report that while visiting Washington DC this past week with Dr. Sunai Chulapongsatorn, Dr. Tanet Charoenmuang, and Dr. Jaran Ditapichai; we had opportunities to meet Human Rights Watch, National Democratic Institute for International Affairs (NDI), National Endowment for Democracy (NED), and the U.S. – ASEAN Business Council. We discussed a wide range of issues. Most dear to us, we expressed our concerns on the prospect of coup, and our deep desire to see elections that are free and fair."
That is a fact. Your interpretation is that by meeting with these groups (amongst many others) that makes the red shirts a compromised organization.
My interpretation is that, at that time, 13 April 2011, these people were engaged in an international PR campaign with an illegitimate Abhisit government and quite understandably met with a range of organizations and people.
To come up with a huge international jigsaw puzzle-like conspiracy is a bizarre interpretation but it is your interpretation that you endlessly repeat believing that banging away may convince one other person somewhere in the world. It seems, though, that no one here buys your interpretation.
I know this is a waste of time, but everyone here but you seems to recognize the nature of facts and interpretation.
Only the US-ASEAN Business
Only the US-ASEAN Business Council are the same exact corporate-fascists that are on record working unilaterally with Thaksin, without parliamentary approval trying to pass a US-Thai FTA. The National Endowment for Democracy is on record funding Prachatai which ceaselessly defends UDD leaders as they are sent to jail for treason, sedition, and insurrection. The NED and NDI have been called out by respected academics like Noam Chomsky, and universities like Australia's Southern Cross as being fronts for covert subversive activities designed to spread US hegemony, not freedom.
All of this is covered in the above links I've provided - links that despite "repetitively posting" you have failed to read and comprehend.
Added to that is Thaksin's immense lobbying support who all have ties to organizations like NED, NDI, IRI, Freedom House, and many of the other organizations linked to Prachatai and other fake NGOs defending and promoting the UDD. The current Amnesty International director is a US State Department representative! It is such an immense, overt fraud, working in concert to overthrow governments, not just in Thailand, but around the world I really find it hard to believe you can't see this.
Did you not read that a NED-funded shill is now President of Tunisia? Or that a Petroleum Institute representative is now PM of Libya? This is how the US State Department and its army of subversion demonstratively works. You claim it is all a conspiracy theory despite the immense "coincidences" that continuously unfold, with a growing chorus internationally, from Moscow, Belarus, China, Vietnam, Iran, Syria, and beyond citing the EXACT same organizations, tactics, and US State Department involvement.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/12/us-funded-activist-becomes-president-of.html
Its not a jizsaw puzzle of random pieces Albert, it is a pretty damn clear picture and you've got to be totally delusional or an abject liar not to admit it. Do you have a rational explanation for any of this or why Prachatai takes millions a year from corporate-fascist Neo-Cons? Of course here at Prachatai - a literal US propaganda clearing house, I don't expect rational debate.
"My interpretation is that,
"My interpretation is that, at that time, 13 April 2011, these people were engaged in an international PR campaign with an illegitimate Abhisit government and quite understandably met with a range of organizations and people. "
Only... the only people they met with were the same frauds, corporate-fascists and warmongers that have been supporting Thaksin, Prachatai, and other fronts in Thailand trying to divide and destroy the country for years. Thaksin himself has indefensible ties to Wall Street and Washington lobbyists and the UDD's visit confirms they too are in contact with these EXACT same people. Of course anyone with a functioning brain knows the UDD are inseparable from Thaksin and thus his treason is their treason. And this isn't simply a single meeting we are citing - but an entire network involving the US State Department, Wall Street corporate financier interests, Thaksin, US-funded NGOs, and the UDD over the course of YEARS.
You refuse to acknowledge the connections between Thaksin, UDD, the US State Department and Prachatai despite the evidence and despite the fact that concurrently the US, Wall Street and London are carrying out identical operations in different stages of completion around the world - even with Tunisia led by a NED-funded shill. I'd say your interpretation is flawed, of course baseless, and utterly indefensible.
The UDD had no business traveling to a foreign country seeking favors and support from foreign corporate interests - especially the corporate fascists of the US-ASEAN Business Council which includes JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, Exxon, and other immense villains that should make your "progressive" skin crawl.
http://www.usasean.org/Aboutus/members.asp
Now there you go lying again
Now there you go lying again and ignoring the points made.
The points were about the difference between interpretation and fact. I guess you will never want understand for your interpretation is, in your words, flawed, of course baseless, and utterly indefensible.
On the lie. You say: "the only people they met with were the same frauds, corporate-fascists and warmongers that have been supporting Thaksin, Prachatai, and other fronts in Thailand trying to divide and destroy the country for years." Leaving aside the flawed, of course baseless, claims in the last phrase, the first is an utterly concocted lie. You should say: I have no idea who else the UDD delegation met. You should say this because that would be the truth.
Of course, as the picture in your post shows, the delegation met other groups. The group shown is the Chicago Red Shirts. Here's the group in LA on the same trip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IddPsYWHRNI).
I have to say that I am getting bored of pointing out your fabrications. You are a proven liar and propagandist who does not deal in facts.
SO Albert, I'm a liar because
SO Albert, I'm a liar because the "other organizations" the UDD met, were different chapters of its own organization? That's how I'm being dishonest, and "fabricating" lies? Seems if anything, you just vindicated how utterly top down this whole movement is and that besides ensuring every red shirt in the States was in lock step, the highlight of their trip was meeting with corporate fascist mass murderers in Washington DC.
You don't dare address the implications of UDD meeting with the National Endowment for Democracy which funds Prachatai MILLIONS year-to-year. Nor the immense conflict of interest exhibited when Prachatai becomes the nexus of defending UDD dupes and shills as they are sent off to prison for treason, sedition, and insurrection. You also failed to address the implications of the UDD meeting the exact same organization that tried to ram through the US-Thai FTA under Thaksin's regime.
Again, all you do is name-call, accuse me of lying, and then base it on some incredibly stretched point of logic. Perhaps the UDD leaders met family or saw a Hollywood actor in L.A., maybe a neighborly gas station attendee, will you add them to the list of "others" they visited on their "tour" too as "proof" I'm lying?
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/confirmed-thailands-pro-democracy.html
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
You did something similar in regards to Prachatai's funding, claiming that you gave them some pocket change, thus the charge that they are "entirely funded by the US government is a lie." Well, in fact, your pocket change is irrelevant to the US' millions granted to Prachatai annually. Prachatai could continue running without your pocket change, they would not survive a year without US government subsidies.
You lied because you said:
You lied because you said: "the only people they met with were the same frauds, corporate-fascists and warmongers...". That is simply untrue, a lie and a fabrication. You choose the word. You can't even get the most basic facts right.
Your claims to other issues are irrelevant troll-like behavior. They have no relationship to Nitirat's efforts to roll back the laws and rules put in place by an illegal military regime following the 2006 coup. Get on topic.
Albert, I deal in facts, not
Albert, I deal in facts, not semantics. The UDD met with the Neo-Con corporate fascist National Endowment for Democracy, the Wall Street bankster Soros funded HRW, and the entirely corporate-fascist US-ASEAN Business Council, which includes among others, Goldman Sachs, Exxon, Chevron, BP (not even US), Monsanto, Cargill, and many other immense global villains.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/confirmed-thailands-pro-democracy.html
They did not meet with anyone else of significance, and counting chapters of their own organization or random strangers they passed by on the streets in Washington DC during their April trip is beyond deceitful and duplicitous - it's downright desperate and deranged.
And it is relevant to the above topic because if Thaksin and the UDD are working in tandem with foreign, mass murdering globalist corporate fascists - then the 2006 coup was completely justified - and wouldn't rolling back its effects be foolish if the threat that spurred it to begin with has yet to be neutralized and fully dismantled?
Not to bore people too much.
Not to bore people too much. First, it does seem odd that you are claiming that the only "people of significance" are those that you hate.
Second, you said: "the only people they met...". That isn't and exercise in semantics. That is what you said. That is your pattern. You make a huge claim that is your interpretation based on limited evidence. In this case, as in others, it is simply a blatant lie. The words "deceitful and duplicitous ... desperate and deranged" would be better applied to your own postings here. Nor does it excuse you from the complaints you have of others. You regularly complain when you are name-called, but you do it regularly. Oh, so troll. Coming up with alliterations doesn't change the facts.
Third, and you finally got on topic for one sentence, your claim that the 2006 coup and, presumably, all that followed it in terms of laws, rulings and murders (for that is what Nitirat is on about) is "completely justified" (your words).
If seems that a coup by a military that regularly receives support - and has done so for decades - from a corporate-fascist regime you claim to hate is your year zero and is just dandy.
We know the military support was in place because it was briefly cut after the coup and is now back in place, allowing the training of snipers and so on. Funded by the military wing of the corporate-fascists.
The contortions of logic and intellect are breathtaking.
Thanks for pointing out
Thanks for pointing out another of your lies. Yes, indeed you have stated several times that Prachatai is "entirely funded by the US government." And, yes, that was a lie. That you think it okay to exaggerate and lie suggests some deep malaise.
There you go again, Tony.
There you go again, Tony. Cherry picking information. If you look at the site you mentioned
http://www.ned.org/about/board
you will find 24 members on the board of directors of the NED. You only list FOUR. How convenient of you. Why not talk about the rest of them. Let's start with Patricia Friend, International President of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA, AFL-CIO (perhaps a notorious corporate fascist Neo-Con organization in your mind).
You will also find on that page that there are 5 officers of which Richard Gephardt is the Chairman. You said, "It is a fact that the National Endowment of Democracy is chaired by corporate fascist Neo-Cons and fund Prachatai millions of baht year-to-year."
So is Richard Gephardt a corporate fascist Neo-Con?
It appears to me, just by looking at the makeup of the ENTIRE Board of Directors and Officers (not just 4), that the NED's leadership is fairly balanced across a wide ideological spectrum. Plus they operate with a high degree of transparency and accountability.
There's a whole lot wrong with what the US government does (and doesn't do) but I see nothing wrong with funding Prachatai $50K through the NED.
Patrick, Noam Chomsky said of
Patrick, Noam Chomsky said of NED's activities, "It's about what you would expect from a bipartisan democracy campaign - it's an attempt to impose what is called democracy, meaning rule by the rich and the powerful, without interference by the mob but within the framework of formal electoral procedures."
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
Australia's Southern Cross University's "Activating Human Rights & Peace (AHRP)" described NED in their AHRP's 2008 proceedings as carrying out "a lot of work that was formerly undertaken by the CIA."
http://www.scu.edu.au/research/cpsj/human_rights/AHRP2008_Proc_Final.pdf
And there are numerous examples of NED funding the overthrowing of sovereign governments and installing puppets they have built up and funded over the years - Tunisia is the latest example.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/12/us-funded-activist-becomes-president-of.html
And the thing is Patrick, YES Richard Gephardt is a corporate fascist and a warmonger one of the few fake liberals that supported the Iraq war overtly!!! He is a lobbyist for big pharma, BOEING, and director of the Ford Motor Company! While I posed 4 names to you, I proved completely they were warmongering corporate fascists, the ONE name you posed to me, I also proved is a warmongering corporate fascist. NED is a COMPLETE fraud.
I doubt he cares much about human rights and democracy - just like EVERYONE else on NED's BoD - he is a representative and servant of big money, Wall Street and London. Go read my research, I cover many more than just 4. Please stop being dishonest and intellectually lazy - go back, read my research then tell me what you really think. They are the 1% and their interest in democracy is disingenuous - the money Prachatai gets is a HUGE FRAUD.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/02/who-were-boeings-lobbyists
http://boss.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/01/why-dick-gephardt/
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2003-04-16/news/0304160027_1_iraq-war-gephardt-new-hampshire
Oh - I know what you'll say
Oh - I know what you'll say next. I "cherry picked" between Gephardt and Friend. First- shame on you for not researching Gephardt - all that info is readily available on Wikipedia - and if you doubt it (and you always should) check the references at the bottom and open each link and read.
Let me explain something to you about labor unions in the United States and in fact, throughout much of the world now. They've been co-opted, and if you go to the NED website, you'll see them literally funding a global network of unions in almost every country on earth. Then, instead of fighting for labor rights, they are used for political campaigns to get various Wall Street puppets into power around the globe, they played a central role in Egypt as a matter of fact....
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/02/who-are-egypts-protesters_09.html
This doesn't mean I disagree with unions - it's just that once they get the size of SEIU or AFL CIO they are easily compromised, co-opted, and the name "Soros" usually appears - who despite his clever "liberal" veneer, is still a speculating Wall Street bankster working in absolute concert with the Neo-Con agenda - the two literally could not exist or succeed without the false paradigm they confuse and trap the ignorant masses in.
I break some of this down here in my Occupy Wall Street Guide...
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/10/land-destroyer-occupywallstreet-guide.html