Suit and diplomacy
Accusing America’s single-most important ally in Southeast Asia of unwarranted interference in the affairs of the United States may sound a bit strong. And especially so in this age of official apologies and expressions of regret at offending those with whom we Americans maintain diplomatic relations. Yet, when an ally cites as illegal, under both its civil and criminal codes, any offensive expressions of opinion and behavior of foreign nationals in their own nations, the question must be asked, in addition to the larger issue of international criminal wrongdoing, is our ally not trespassing onto the territory of the United States with such claims and investigations, let alone prosecutions?
Ever since Thailand ostensibly became a constitutional monarchy in 1932, the kingdom has shredded seventeen constitutions. Each subsequent charter was crafted by interim authorities claiming legitimacy in their professed mission to restore good governance but at the same time, each renewal was made with cooperation from like-minded political sectors.
The latest charter shred was in 2007 after the September 2006 military coup. Like other coups in the past, this one involved coup-makers pardoning themselves for their actions. Perhaps the three most important questions to ask as a result of all these constitutions and coups are:
1. Why have sociopolitical conditions remained seemingly unchanged since 1932?
2. Why is there still so much class division and latent political instability?
3. What is the key to effecting lasting and just change in the kingdom?
Answers may be found in the following observations.
1. Sociopolitical conditions in Thailand have remained relatively intact since-and even before-1932 because of a combination of nationalism and human pride in traditional Thai/Siamese culture. Recognizing that there has been a huge undertaking by the state to enshrine such values in the kingdom, nonetheless a more general human spirit also plays a part in the desire to retain most traditions and beliefs whether or not they conform or conflict with modern international standards.
2. Latent political stability or lack thereof, and significant class divisions, are inherited from former state institutions. They are also maintained and encouraged by influential interests, some of whom benefit from such regimentation, and often supported by the general population which believes, and is conditioned to believe, that their support is justified.
3. Needed lasting and just change in the kingdom throughout the sociopolitical spectrum can not come about when dialogue is convoluted, self-interests dominate discussions, compromise is defined by those in control, and where expression is held to be criminal. Obviously, then, whatever kind of change is coming or will come may have to be effected through radical means. Radical does not have to mean, however, violent. It depends on how violent the reaction is to concerted efforts at making changes in the kingdom, and in that light currently the record is not good.
Academics, scholars, activists, professors, social commentators, politicians, the military, and a spirited number of the general public have all expressed strong opinions one way or the other as to what kind of changes are needed in the kingdom, when they should occur, and who should make them. On the other hand, obstacles exist toward progressing to a point where legitimate suggestions can be raised without prompting a barrage of generally groundless denunciations and clamoring for hangings. This is the state of speech in Thailand, and has been for a long, long time. Offensive speech is able to be silenced by those offended and those claiming to be gatekeepers of the offended.
When criminal defamation laws exist per se as they do in Thailand, and are often used to silence internationally recognized as legitimate expressions of opinion, or when even statements of fact and truth whether originated or repeated are themselves cited by the criminal justice system as crimes, there is a valid argument for full public discussion of the laws and just why “the system” per se is unable to adequately practice enforcement so that all citizens are granted a basic minimum amount of protection from abuse and violations of their rights.
As Thailand’s legal “system” currently exists, authorities and vested interests are offended by international clamor of rights violations when criminal defamation cases, including lesè majesté, are revealed. Rather than seriously reflecting on the possible legitimacy of such clamor, and as a result taking internal measures to deal with criminal justice shortcomings and rights abuses, it is deemed more important to pull down the veil of sovereignty and right to safeguard national interests and to make politically-sensitive comments explaining this position to those who do not need, who will not accept groundless defenses, and who remain aghast at the lack of humanity in such explanations.
It is a given that different nations, different cultures, different languages and different climates, and more, will produce unique nations or peoples. Of larger import, however, is the humanity, global, that we are entrusted by our creator with either pursuing or abusing. When our choice is to remain adamant, to dismiss valid argumentation, to prohibit demonstration and expression, to inculcate false and often senseless beliefs, to criminalize both behavior and expression of opinion not just in our own nation but throughout the entire world, as intellectual sentient beings it should not escape us that these practices are inhumane and often illegal. But there are bigger fish to fry. Diplomatic relations must be protected – behind these, of course, is the flow of money and self-benefit that that flow represents. It is, perhaps, the clash between these two ebbs and flows – self-interest and human reaction – that governs the demarcation between stability and lack of stability.
The impact of this clash is monumental, and has not changed much over the millennia that mankind has dominated the earth. Our propensity to cite the old adage about those not studying history are bound to repeat it is itself a slightly kiltered expression reflecting our collective absence of the will to work hand-in-hand with one another for a just world. In such a clash, the role of the military and state national security apparatus is self-explanatory.
The problem of why so much unrest is still continuing, and how it affects international relations, is now identified. But the question remains about what can be done. Can and should Thailand be brought to task for alleged interference into the domestic affairs of the United States? Or does the issue pale in comparison to the amount of money to be lost in trade and military cooperation that stand to be threatened by human rights issues?
This rather expansive issue – what can or should be done about the diplomatic and human rights rift in areas of claimed jurisdiction over expression of opinion - was recently raised with Vanderbilt University’s First Amendment Center, whose mission in part is “We support the First Amendment and build understanding of its core freedoms through education, information and entertainment. The center serves as a forum for the study and exploration of free-expression issues, including freedom of speech, of the press and of religion, and the rights to assemble and to petition the government.” The center’s website is at http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/.
In an on-site reference to the First Amendment, it says, The First Amendment ensures that “if there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein,” as Justice Robert Jackson wrote in the 1943 case.
In a frightening sense Thailand’s has no “fixed star” or absolute protection against unjust censorship of freedom of expression. That its constitution has time and time again been shredded with the assistance of or by the military, the same military that determined the make-up of the subsequent charter, and that the outcome is thus logical to conclude as being less than democratic, is an inescapable reality and one that must be changed.
A US-based First Amendment research center also informed this writer recently, when asked about why US law does not prevent international abuse of American freedoms and the right to exercise those rights that “It would appear that U.S. law has not caught up with this problem. It would take some kind of lawsuit filed in court for it to gain any legal traction, no doubt. And of course diplomatic relations are all mixed up in it.” It’s difficult to resolve in a country where facts and truth are both literally outlawed in favor of protected misrepresentation. www.freedomforum.org posts on its website, for example, a question as to whether libel or slander was actually present with, “Libel and Slander - Was the statement false, or put in a context that makes true statements misleading? You do not have a constitutional right to tell lies that damage or defame the reputation of a person or organization.” In Thailand there is not even a right to tell the truth or publish facts that damage or defame the reputation of a person or organization. The right is allegedly there but in practice exercising it is bottlenecked with loose criminal justice procedures and willing bureaucrats who allow abuse of the law to undermine freedoms and personal right to expression.
Such a lawsuit as just mentioned in the foregoing paragraph may have, in principle, been given a seed of thought in the 2010 Free Speech Act that protects all American persons within the United States from being personally subject to foreign criminal defamation lawsuits as long as those persons remain within the United States. The next step is to reciprocate what Thailand has apparently done – extend US national jurisdiction, this time on behalf of constitutional protections – to all nations of the world which would guarantee that persons within the United States are, and remain, free to express opinions and advocate causes. But a huge task ahead remains in convincing authorities and experts that this problem is a problem that it needs publicity and resolution for the benefit of all who cherish the right to freedom of expression and agree with the need to maintain a minimal standard of human rights protections.


Comments
Author fail to realize the
Author fail to realize the high level of irony when it is clear that US already claim worldwide domain regarding some crimes and that includes US's own anti-free speech legislation.
I am with the person above.
I am with the person above. The US is one of the most illiberal countries in the world. It's no better than Thailand, so why should we look to the US for aid in change?
"The problem of why so much unrest is still continuing, and how it affects international relations, is now identified. But the question remains about what can be done. Can and should Thailand be brought to task for alleged interference into the domestic affairs of the United States? Or does the issue pale in comparison to the amount of money to be lost in trade and military cooperation that stand to be threatened by human rights issues?"
This reminds me of a similar conflict I was recently reading about (Frank will enjoy this read):
http://article.wn.com/view/2012/02/13/To_Enter_or_Not_to_Enter_a_War_with_Iran/
The basic truth is the US just went to war in Iraq and killed well over one million innocent people for little other reason than money and control.
Now they accuse Iran of being a dangerous country and plot to do just about the same thing with Israel beside them. The truth is the US and Israel invades or bombs a new country every 5 years or so, often with devestating effects. Iran has not started a war for hundreds and hundreds of years and is one of the most peaceful countries there is. So how is Iran dangerous? They only pose a danger to people who attack them first, which is a no brainer. They're [the US and Israel] just liars spouting propaganda to gain the moral high ground so they can wage a war and reap the plunder.
So what the hell is the US going to care about a few people in jail in Thailand for? The US domestic policy may appear liberal, but their hearts are hollow when put to the test with foreign policy, where you discover money comes first, always, regardless of the potential body count. A nuke here, a flame bomb there, some white phos over there, and all the gold in the world right here. That's the US. Fuck them. This is Thailand, and we must fight the corruption here ouselves. Looking to help from the US is ridiculous. They have a rotten moral core.
Sadly, I agree with your
Sadly, I agree with your assessment of the im/ammoral state of my country. Everything you say is true.
But it has nothing to do with the situation Thailand. The ancien regime in Thailand is bent on hanging on to its power, bent on defeating insurgent democracy, and Thailand, too is... "where you discover money comes first, always, regardless of the potential body count"... the US:the World::Bangkok:Thailand... and nothing the US, the USSR, the PRC, Israel, or the Helvetians do or say is going to change that.
You can change the subject from the Lessor Satan in Thailand to the Great Satan in the US... changes not a jot having to do with the crimes of the Lessor Satan.
Israel takes this tack all the time, citing greater evils in the past to 'justify' its own perpetrations of evil in the present.
Doesn't work for them either... outside of Israel... but perhaps your jeremiad is only meant for consumption by the true believers in Thailand as well.
The Thai 'elite' certainly need pay no heed to the US, but still have to do what's right... from any perspective save that of the privileged 'elite' itself.
Whereas the comment from
Whereas the comment from YourMother is right it fails to take into account that this fact does not matter in a sense in regards to Thailand. "We" must exploit every available avenue to changing the LM laws and toward a freer society for THAIS. Even if that means resorting to the freedom of speech oppressed in the US. By continually pointing out the contradictions, the case against LM weakens. At least in the eyes of those that would have it as it stands.
I have many times asked the same question how it is possible for Thailand to have a free hand in arresting and imprisoning people who have "committed" what is defined by whoever it pleases, LM, abroad. Other cases have appeared too. Australia, Switzerland and others where people entering Thailand were arrested who have in fact done nothing in Thailand at all. That the international community remains dumb and mumm is deplorable but shows how those in power everywhere connive to keep their relations looking amicable for onlookers unaware of what really happens be neath the surface.
I would also like to suggest the 3/4 of a century of military interventions and, as pointed out shredding of 17 constitutions, always for some bizarre, surreal pretext of nation and stability is not only absurd but...is the very proof the military interventions have NOT succeeded in doing anything other than making sure those at the top of the heap continue to thrive and benefit. The country borders on being a failed state precisely because the military and those with whom it is in cahoots bleed the country dry at the expense of the people. It does not have one foot firmly planted in its rural past; it has one foot shackled to those roots.
Thailand has signed up to UN definitions of human rights, including freedom of expression. If Thailand refuses to adhere to those rules, then it should be confronted where it counts; at the UN itself.
Yes, I know the UN is largely a tool in the hands of certain states, who in turn are controlled by the huge profit making businesses that have started to pull the strings behind many governments. But nonetheless, again, if Thailand can benefit by referring to these states and institutions who themselves are only shadow plays, then so be it. If you can use one A's own pretensions against your own adversaires, then do it. The fact A has many fault's is irrelevant to to the struggle at hand.
I'm not sure what I'm reading
I'm not sure what I'm reading here. Is this Prachatai giving Frank Anderson space to defend himself? Not that there is anything wrong with that, but I'm just curious if this is the case.
And is this Frank Anderson claiming he is an American - and despite living in Thailand, only answers to US law? It is very vague despite its length. I am sincerely interested in a simplified, concise description of what his case involves.
By the way Frank, in case you haven't noticed, the US Constitution has likewise been shredded, ironically by the very people represented on National Endowment for Democracy's board of directors, who appropriate millions of baht a year to support Prachatai's and subsequently your work.
You are not going to get very far championing current US laws - but perhaps you could by simply championing the idea of free speech.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
The Securing the Protection
The Securing the Protection of our Enduring and Established Constitutional Heritage Act, known as the SPEECH Act, makes libel judgments against US writers in foreign countries unenforceable if they are perceived to counter the First Amendment right to free speech.
Mr. Anderson’s proposal to expand the provisions of this Act is good in that it would make it harder for those outside the US to bully activists, bloggers, and journalists into silence.
It should also be embarrassing to countries like Thailand. That the US needs to pass laws to protect residents in the US from legal actions in Thailand is outrageous.
Incidentally, the SPEECH Act is extraordinary in that it passed unanimously in the House and Senate. It may not be such a huge of a task to amend it appropriately.
Amending the Speech Act is
Amending the Speech Act is not likely to be an easy task. I've spoken with a couple of well-connected law firms in the US that are not overly interested in attacking the issue from this angle. Anyway, let's see what additional efforts to convince bring.
I am not sure about why
I am not sure about why (Tony) anyone would claim somebody needs to adhere to any laws when OUTSIDE the country where those laws are not applicable. Yes he "must" answer to Thai law, but not when anywhere else.
If drinking alcohol is illegal in Iran, certainly a citizen would not be jailed for doing so in Canada.
If a Saudi woman cannot drive a car in her own country, she would not be arrested and jailed for driving in Norway.
If an American goes to Kabul and tries Opium he will never get arrested for substance abuse when re-entering the US.
Georgia's code section 16-6-2 gives a 1 to 20 year mandatory sentence for adults consenting to "any sexual act involving the sexual organs of one person and the mouth or anus of another". Married couples are not excluded from this law. But who would send spies to NY who would report in, scour the internet for transgressors, pass new laws to harshen the sentencing and arrest them when they return to Georgia?
How then can people be arrested and jailed when they enter Thailand for what they do elsewhere?
I think most people know full well the US has become an Imperialist oppressor worldwide. We are not talking about our own US politics though. If we can exploit the freedom of speech guaranteed by the constitution and the farce of the US trying to convince the world this is one reason it does battle elsewhere, then so much the better.
Is this opportunistic? Maybe. Does it matter?
We cannot sacrifice the struggle to free people from harsh punishment for exercising basic freedom of expression in Thailand because in the US freedom of expression is being trampled. I do not at all understand that (il)logic.
For FRANK if you are involved in a potential legal struggle abroad maybe the case would be more well received in a European court system. I may be wrong. A Swiss film-maker was arrested a few years ago for a comment he made about the royal family in a documentary shown only in Switzerland. He was apprehended when arriving in Thailand.
I think his name is Christoph Müller and the documentary was about AIDS in SE Asia. Not sure.
Robald, I understand what
Robald,
I understand what you're saying. But the point is it's hollow. If you start using the US as an example, as people always do in Thailand, then you're going to get your opponents pointing out the many flaws of the US to counter you. You won't achieve anything. Before you know it, you'll have Prayuth dropping white phosphorus on Pnom Phen and then saying, "It's okay, Frank G. Anderson says we should look up to the US."
My point is, the ignorant people will remain ignorant, because you've convinced them to believe in a false prophet (the US) which is no real better than the last. And the elite starting to behave like the American elite is no improvement either.
Perhaps I'm being pedantic though, just to make a point. I just don't think the US is a good role model, but people keep using it as one. Of course Thailand should not be able to punish people for crimes done outside of the country. I did see one Saudi woman imprisoned for driving in the US. It kicked up a real stink. There was also talk in Australia of a man smoking weed in Amsterdam and the courts wanting to lock him up back in Aus. But that never went through, I don't think. Though you hear very little about Thailand's global jurisdiction outside of our own SE Asian human rights circle. Because as I said, money comes first, and the US is a traditional ally of the monarchy and military.
As for what anyone can actually do about it, it's not easy. A guy like Frank might be able to convince a few liberal US lawyers with good hearts to look into it. But the monent they get any momentum, someone from Thailand will threaten them, Hilary Clinton will be called, and then Obama will be on his knees begging for forgivness that an American ever had the audacity to even consider the issue of international human rights standards and American freedom of expression safeguards...
In other words, it just won't go anywhere. The better hope is in Thailand, like the Nitirat group. Good luck nontheless.
Yes - this is my point
Yes - this is my point exactly - and yes the United States itself does have laws either on the books or coming for various cases where if you commit a crime outside the US that violates its laws - you will be arrested, sometimes without even setting foot in the US, sometimes not even being a US citizen etc.
America is a poor example to cite to make any case because they are infinitely hypocritical and as guilty in the worse sense as anything one might try to pin on their petty corrupt officials in their own countries - including Thailand.
This "American hypocrisy" and their disingenuous intentions is why I have warned repeatedly about Prachatai taking millions a year from them to support their "work."
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/exposed-indy-newspaper-funded-by-us.html
I think the previous
I think the previous commenters have missed the crucial point of this article. The US Bill of Rights, particularly, the first amendment, have been mercilessly pilloried rather than upheld by the US govt. I could never hold the USA up as an example for freedom in the world for precisely the same reasons as the commenters here. But the point is, Americans have a shining star upon which to wish.
Human rights and civil liberties have been tarnished, blackened and muddied in America but still they’re written down and can give people something to strive for. In Thailand, no one in govt depends on our constitutions despite the fact that they also protect many of these same freedoms.
Nobody pays attention to Thailand’s constitution, certainly not politicians, bureaucrats or the courts. This is why I think Nitirat’s concept of a constitutional monarch swearing to uphold the constitution has great value. Thailand does not have a strong desire to protect rights and liberties. However, if the King has sworn to uphold it, maybe it can inspire others to do so, too.
Thais do not seem to want to learn from the histories of other countries nor do they seem to care how we are viewed by foreigners. That’s a big mistake because the world is a rather small place and we’re all in this together.
To make freedom work, any country needs to have a hook to hang it on.
The rights we have written
The rights we have written down and the rest of the US Constitution give us not only "a shining star upon which to wish", right out of Pinocchio a la Walt Disney, but also the concrete means to end the aggressive wars in which our government is engaged, thence to become "real boys" and girls. All we need are courage, truthfulness, and enough selflessness to be able to notice that our government has murdered and is murdering literally millions of innocent men, women, and children all around the world... and has plans to murder more, in perpetuity.
We have the means to bring our American war criminals and malefactors of great wealth to justice. And then to make the structural changes our Constitution itself requires. All ready-to-hand. All we need do is stoop to retrieve those legal hand tools from the floor where we dropped them, fifty or a hundred years ago. They're still there. waiting to be picked up, oiled up - like the tin woodsman - and put to use.
I certainly agree with the Nitirat... and I believe that the single most important thing that Thais can do at this point is to identify and elect suitable CDA candidates from each and every jangwat to see to the creation of a real peoples' constitution. There are enough constitutional examples extant, and enough negative governmental examples to go along with them, to enable the Thais to come up with a 'state of the art' constitution.
And no one deserves one more than they. Are you a Thai citizen, CJ? I cannot say 'we' in this life. I'll have to wait 'til the next.
But the problem is the US
But the problem is the US government has been hijacked by the business elite. The majority of Americans simply care too little about politics and other people's problems to educate themselves on what you're talking about. And the effectiveness of propaganda means they will remain ignorant and vote for nonsense. So really, you don't have the means to change anything.
Democracy is seriously flawed. It's a headache to think what to do about it.
"Democracy is seriously
"Democracy is seriously flawed... " I think you mean that the government of the United States is flawed and you won't get an argument from me.
I want my fellow Americans to stand up and assert democratic rule, it is possible to do so in the US, and then to fix the constitution to make it more difficult for things to get this bad again in the future.
It is not possible to guarantee that. Democracy requires a demos that pays a minimum of attention. But many people, and not just in the US, feel there is no real reason to pay attention when to reverse the actions of the, supposedly, representative government requires an effort perceived as heroic, and as such is only forthcoming when things sink to the lowest possible level and everything else has first been tried and seen to have failed.
Human societies require governments and democratic governments look like the best of the bunch to me.
Frank, you have mentioned
Frank, you have mentioned working in the Peace Corps in your youth and working for ARAMCO in Saudi Arabia. Folks I've met here in Thailand, long-term ex-pats who've worked in Iraq, Iran, and Saudi Arabia are, or perhaps were if it's actually possible ever to sever such a relationship, with the CIA. Are you, or were you ever, Frank, with the CIA?
Your "are or perhaps were"
Your "are or perhaps were" can also mean "are not or probably were not."
Is that not so?
"It depends on what the
"It depends on what the meaning of is... is" I'll take that as a "yes"?